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Using the Audio Processing plugin with Internet Broadcasting plugin

We are running a configuration where the main mixer is fed into the computer via a Focusrite Scarlett USB interface. We then pick that up with the Internet Broadcast plugin by selecting it as the input.

We need to apply compression/limiting to the signal on its way to the encoder, and the Audio Processing plugin seems to offer all we need. The paragraph about it on the plugins page suggests that it works with the Internet Broadcasting plugin.

Will the Audio Processing plugin do what we need? Is there any documentation on it? (The page does not scroll properly here so I can only see the top part of the page).

Thanks!

Richard E

Hello Richard,

Jason may give a 'proper' answer but, from observation, I think the processing is applied to 'player' (and possibly other) outputs.

If your streaming source is PlayIt Live main mix the whole thing works very nicely and while it is (seemingly) each track as played processed and the resulting mix streamed I've found it's OK.

When you have the players fed into mixer channels and the mixer output (plus local sources) selected to the PlayIt Live encoder (as far I I can tell) there isn't any overall processing applied.

I've got a Behringer 9024 (the poor man's Optimod !) processing my test setup but I've also found the paid version of Rocket Broadcaster (which allows VST plug ins - I used the JB Broadcast compressor) works well.

The other attraction of Rocket Broadcaster is that it can run on a second PC providing some form of resilience in the system.

With clever use of fail over in the streaming server it should be possible to use a PlayIt Live generated stream as a reserve and Rocket's PC as the main.

To get now playing info, I make PlayIt Live save the metadata as a text file (via the 'Now Playing' plugin) and make the location available to the streaming PC.

At the risk of telling you something you know, it is well worth getting the source files to similar subjective loudness as well as any later processing.

The AGC function on the audio processing plug in is quite handy (and doesn't seem to fight badly with separate subsequent processing) but that's after I've made everything a similar loudness.

I wrote up the setup in 'The Rich(er) Mans's Radio Setup' shich has a few screenshots.

https://support.playitsoftware.com/support/discussions/topics/5000094065

Hi, Mark, and thanks for the extremely useful comments!
So basically it looks like the processing plugin is tied to PlayItLive itself and not to the internet broadcast encoder. What I'm after here is to be able to do the traditional level of processing you would expect to do on the feed to a transmitter in terrestrial radio, ie multiband compression and a limiter.
Indeed a hardware solution is one course (and it's what I use on my own system) but that isn't possible for my colleague who is running this configuration - both for space and cost reasons.
Certainly a streaming encoder that allows plugins would solve the problem at a stroke. Your solution using the Now Playing plugin and a streamer that can read its output file AND run VST plugins is certainly interesting, if a little indirect, and that will be worthy of examination.

Another thing we can try is simply to run the Audio Processing plugin on the main PlayItLive feed to the mixer and rely on the mic channel/processor (a dbx 286s) to keep the voice under control.

Thanks again.

Hello again Richard,

It comes down to where in the traditional broadcast chain the PlayIt Live system and associated mixer is and also how 'aggressive' the processing needs to be.

To record 'longform' material for later broadcast (or upload to Mixcloud etc.) then a mic processor and the PlayIt Live processing should (in my view) be quite good enough.

It will 'tame' the audio levels and make music more suitable for a 'non-optimum' or background listening environment.

What you won't have with that approach is a final 'station sound' processing. That really needs to happen just before (or arguably at) encoding.

In my view, PlayIt Live is great at playout and the stream encoder is fine for contribution (remote studio to main studio) but additional facilities are needed for 'emission encoding' and that's where the paid version of Rocket Broadcaster (and the free VST processor plug in) scores.

The one drawback to Rocket I've found is that on my setup Rocket (and associated processes) runs at a similar CPU load to PlayIt Live, hence my preference for separate hardware.

The “Rich(er) Man’s” radio setup

Having written up the poor man’s radio setup four years agoI’ve moved up the equipment “food chain” a little and I’ve now got a bettersetup.

I’ve got a better mixer, but for this write up the mixer(other than having enough channels to use four stereo channels for PlayIt Liveand some microphone inputs) is irrelevant.

I now use the 4 stereo channel “ESI Gigaport HD+” card foroutput (as featured in a 'halfdecent' multi channel USB sound card).

This feeds four stereo channels on the mixer with Player 1,Player 2, QuickCarts & Pre-Fade Listen.

If PlayIt Live is in automation, if you use 2 players thenthese two channels should be left up on the mixer.

I leave the QuickCarts up as well but (obviously) in normaloperation the Pre-Fade Listen channel is never faded up. This could beconnected to an input on a channel with an alternative function (for example“telco”) and selected as requires.

Once mixed as required, I use a separate sound card toreturn the mixer output to a computer for streaming (it can be the samecomputer but in my case I use a different one).

To allow a good level to be fed into the stream I use a USBsound card with hardware limiting. This is a rare feature on USB sound cardsbut I consider it essential to preserve quality on the microphone whileallowing a good music/voice balance and a reasonable input into the streamingsystem.

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I use an old Roland UA25 sound card but this needs modifieddrivers for Windows 10.

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(http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-ultimate-guide-to-get-your-RolandEdirol-devices-to-work-with-Windows-10-Updated-m3267234.aspx)

It works well but if I were buying a suitable card now Iwould consider the Roland Rubix24 as this has a hardware limiter.

For simple(r) applications this might be sufficient to usewith PlayIt Live as both the input and output card as it has two stereo outputs(could be Players and QuickCarts). In this case, obviously, the PlayIt Live PC would also be used for streaming.

Now considering the streaming setup, PlayIt Live has areasonable Internet Broadcast plugin but it can’t apply processing.

I’ve been using Rocket Broadcaster. The (paid) Pro editionallows multiple streams, various stream formats including Opus and will take athird party processing VST plugin.

I use the suggested, free, JB Broadcast three band processorwhich works well with my library of music sourced from CDs of various vintages.I also use MP3 gain on the files when they go into the PlayIt Live library.

Collectively, this setup will run without intervention forweeks without issue.

The playout computer is an i3 laptop but the key to makingit run smoothly seems to have been replacing the original drive with a solidstate drive.

If you buy Rocket Broadcaster you may find that the pricingdirect in your local currency is better than paying in another currency.

Nice.. Loving that set up. what mixer is that? am using a allen & heath, but it does not have cue, or on/ just mute, which kind of is the same. Am using two sound cards and soon will be changing to a Focusrite pro 40, as it has many inputs and outputs. Thanks for the post.

Hello Wandy,

The mixer is a D&R Airmate ( https://en.audiofanzine.com/analog-mixer/d-r/airmate/ ) for a mixer similar to mine.

I bought it very cheaply second hand but it just has analogue inputs..

There is a new version with USB inputs which would be good for PlayIt Live but it's not cheap.

https://www.d-r.nl/airmate-8-usb.html

The D&R Airlite is arguably better for most applications with PlayIt Live and the Webstation also looks good.

https://www.d-r.nl/airlite-usb.html

https://www.d-r.nl/webstation.html

These may be beyond your budget, if so, I previously had a Behringer DX1000 and the newer version the DX2000USB is excellent value for money and has most of the features you might want.

https://www.behringer.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/DJ/DX2000USB/p/P0968#googtrans(en en)

It isn't as well made as the D&R but it costs a lot less. The biggest drawback with the DX2000 is that the USB sound card only feeds one channel but you could combine it with another sound card to feed 3 or 4 more faders.

If you could get a decent second hand DX1000 I could also recommend that.

https://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHDX1000

I can't comment on the Focusrite but do check it presents the channels in a way PlayIt Live can use. You probably need it to come with an ASIO driver to be OK.

I guess your Allen & Heath is a music mixer.

They had a couple of nice mixers in their XB series, https://www.allen-heath.com/series/xb/

It now seems to be down to one.

The XB10 was very good except for having rotary faders. https://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/xb-10/

I do wonder if they will do something to replace it but with linear faders.

For completeness, as none of the links give a decent picture of the original version of the Airmate I have, a photo (I can't get a good angle on it easily).

Although extremely powerful, I think for most radio style applications the Behringer XR18 would be tricky to use without physical controls.

I've never used one myself but I've seen people using them with an iPad or similar and for live music they work well but I would want a physical surface.

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Possibly usable depending on what style of radio you do, the Rode Rodecaster is worth a look.

https://www.thepodcasthost.com/equipment/rode-rodecaster-pro-review-the-all-in-one-podcasting-device/

It doesn't (sadly) allow multiple channels of computer sound on different faders but potentially the phone connections could be used as additional channels.

I think if I were buying a mixer now and had the money, I would look at the Webstation as it has most of what is needed in one box.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/dr_webstation.htm

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otherwise I would probably buy the Behringer DX2000USB and a sound card.

Just to add a couple of other thoughts.

Your multiple mic inputs requirement makes a 'Podcast' style mixer worth considering.

If the Rode doesn't suit then one other mixer which gets suggested for podcast production is the Behringer 1204 USB.

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While generally not ideal for PlayIt Live (due to the limited number of stereo channels and lack of a 'normal' PFL arrangement) it has the great benefit of individual one control compression on each of the 4 mic channels which is extremely useful with multiple contributors (particularly if they tend to get excited !).

https://www.thepodcasthost.com/equipment/podcast-mixers/ for some alternatives.